Science Ex Nihilo

I'm truly amazed at some of the brilliant people this world produces. Seriously. Pick up any science mag out there and just think about some of the stuff you'll read. It's enough to make me thankful that I'm not quite that smart, because I prefer to actually use my brain with a bit of reason in the mix.

I'm a creationist. There, I admit it. And as a Christian theist, I have developed an immunity to to the slurs and smirks from the naturalist camp. I've learned to accept the "escapism" label with grace and dignity. I'm fully aware of the "opiate for the masses" brush that religion is painted with. But the more I think about what atheists believe, I have to wonder just who the escapists are (actually, that is putting it too gently. I am fully convinced who the escapists are). While the atheists out there are convinced that Christians have a huge imaginary friend to (mis)place comfort in, Christians have actually come to grips with a God that deserves our honor, demands an unselfish life, and is the basis against which we judge our actions. He is anything but some purple-dinosuar-equivalent for the faint of heart. He is our Creator and Savior, to whom we have the ultimate of responsibilities. Who is the escapist, but those who shirk this responsibility? But now I'm on a tangent...

Some of our most brilliant scientists have spent decades trying to create scientific models to prove that the Universe started from nothing-- that it literally just popped up from a state of nothingness. There is a great need to show that the Universe is not an effect, that it had no cause, because a cause threatens any sense of naturalistic philosophy. It just smacks of God, because anything that had a beginning must have a sufficient cause. So in the atheist's mind, the Universe could not have had a beginning. It must be either infinite or have created itself (which is impossible, by the way, since it would have had to have existed before it existed. Just think about that for a moment).

Pretty much everything we can see of the Universe points to a beginning. The laws of thermodynamics indicate that the Universe is winding down. If we reverse this we see that it was wound up. There is latent radiation everywhere, left over from the sudden start of the Universe. We observe the Universe as expanding, so if we travel back through time, it contracts to its beginning. There are too many indications of the beginning to list, but you get the idea. Thus, we are left with a beginning, and the need for a sufficient cause for that beginning.

So enters the Universe Ex Nihilo. The Steady State Theory was developed to give us a Universe from nothing. It just popped up, something from nothing. Apparently, at points in space called "itrons", hydrogen just springs up from nothing, and displaces the matter that was already there, and makes the Universe expand. Now, you don't really need masters-level logic classes to reason the problems with this. If there was ever complete "nothingness" there would always be nothing. If there was only nothing to cause something, then that something would still be nothing. That's a by-product of the laws of cause and effect. We also have the principle of conservation of matter, which states that matter and energy can never be created nor destroyed.

The Inflationary Universe Theory is another stab at the subject from reputable scientists. It seeks to establish that the Universe just popped up from nothing as a bubble of highly curved space-time-- fully uncaused and from nowhere/nothing. But a closer look shows that this "nothing" from which it comes is "virtual quanta seething in a false vacuum". That is something, my friendly scientist-guys. Those have energy and properties. They are not nothing. Anything with properties attached is something, even if it is hard to imagine and explain.

I'm pretty sure that the Steady State Theory, the Inflationary Universe Theory, (and its revisions that followed) have all been pretty much discarded. But that isn't the point. My point is, who are truly the escapists? Who is it that ignores reason, logic and established scientific law to escape the implications of what science and reason really tell us? Even Stephen Hawking, who forced the scientific community to admit the beginning in the first place, is now developing a model for an infinite Universe. I haven't the time nor inclination right now to attack the science of this (it appears the scientific community is busy enough doing that), but I will attack the logic. If the Universe is infinite, and is going through cycles of expansion and contraction, where is this infinite Universe expanding to? It's infinite, thus it would have no boundaries. That's like trying to put another book on the end of an infinite bookshelf. Maybe these atheistic endeavors are like that too. Maybe an answer without God is like the leprechaun's gold at the end of the rainbow. Now who has the imaginary friend?

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apologia – Thu, 03/08/2007 – 14:26
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I moved the above blog over from my spaces.live.com account. For propriety's sake, I'll add the comment left by "BobK", and also the reply comment I left him. You can read the exchange in its original form @ noapologies.spaces.live.com . I've also left a message there that further activity should be carried on here.

Apologetics – Thu, 03/08/2007 – 14:43

BobK

So what's your point, that saying "God did it" is in any way a suitable answer to the question of existence?

You can misread and misrepresent scientific inquiry all you like - it remains a far better path to knowledge than faith or fiat.

Scientists are much closer to answering the question of existence than anyone who is satisfied by the proclamation that "God did it".
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Apologetics – Thu, 03/08/2007 – 14:44

Bob, First, thank you for

Bob,
First, thank you for taking the time to read my post and respond.

I would argue that "God did it" is a very suitable answer to anyone who involves themselves in true, open-minded study, and who allows the process of critical thinking to be applied to both sides of the matter. Until you, or anyone else, can solve the issues of the Universe "Ex Nihilo", then God (in my humble opinion) is a much more suitable answer than anything else. Until you, or anyone else, can explain the logic that the Universe could preexist itself, then something/Someone outside of the Universe must have caused it. That would put this cause outside of the confines of both time and space, since time and space are the creation, intertwined, and can't be part of the cause

So, the Creator/Cause would be outside of created time, thus without beginning or end. Who is this beginning to sound like? This Creator/Cause would have to be at least as powerful as all of the power that we find in this creation, at least as intelligent as all of the intelligence we find in the creation, etc... etc... You get the picture.

I would invite you to point out exactly what I have misread or misrepresented. I used several specifics in my blog, and would thus put the impetus on you to refute the specifics with specifics, instead of generalized statemements that offer nothing in way of refuting the logic or validity of the argument. And, for the record, most in the scientific community share my tendency to poke holes in the specific theories mentioned.

I would also disagree with you that :

Scientists are much closer to answering the question of existence than anyone who is satisfied by the proclamation that "God did it".

Science can do no more than observe, test or theorize on the Universe back until shortly after its beginning. There is no way for the natural sciences to quantify the supernatural. And the beginning of the Universe is supernatural by definition. It was the beginning of what we know and experience, and the cause of that beginning is outside of our sphere of study. Science has no better grasp on the cause of existence than the theologian. It is because of this that one must use a healthy dose of critical thinking on both sides of the subject.

So, to answer your first question... My point was that science is not the infallible institution many would seem to think. Scientists are putting as much faith in their presuppositions as theologians. It is the responsibility each and every one of us to weigh the theories presented against sound reason and logic, and then consider which faith (naturalism or theism) makes the most sense to us.

Blessings to you... AJ

Apologetics – Thu, 03/08/2007 – 17:36