Direction and Evolution

A word about directionality: Evolution does not have a direction. Organisms can go towards complexity or simplicity. It's all determined by the environment and selection pressures. Just because humans are complex multi-cellular animals doesn't mean we've had the most evolution. Every living creature today is the result of the same amount of evolutionary time.

The above was posted as a part of a comment here, and I quoted to fuel this post. I've seen this argument many times over by many evolutionists; this time was in response to the confines of microevolution verses macroevolution. I hope to ideal with it once and for all. At its core, it is nothing more than verbal slight-of-hand and an ingenious sophistry.

A word about directionality: Evolution does not have a direction. Organisms can go towards complexity or simplicity. It's all determined by the environment and selection pressures.

Evolution has no direction.

Just because humans are complex multi-cellular animals doesn't mean we've had the most evolution. Every living creature today is the result of the same amount of evolutionary time.

Now we are talking quantity. And there is the sophistry and switch. Make up your mind what we are talking about, direction or quantity? Because I can take only two steps North or 20 miles North. After going 20 miles North, I can then go 5 miles South. No matter how far I travel, I am still traveling in a direction.

Now, Darwinism's entire premise is to explain the variety we see in living organisms. At its root, its major goal is to explain the process by which life evolved from simple life to complex life. If there is no direction in Darwinism, then please pray tell what its goal is seeking to explain.

I find it sad that a theory has to deny its goal to protect its foundations.

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apologia – Tue, 08/21/2007 – 17:21
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A river in Egypt

At its core, it is nothing more than verbal slight-of-hand and an ingenious sophistry.

I suppose I should be flattered, but I don't see where the deception that you're implying comes in.

Now we are talking quantity. And there is the sophistry and switch. Make up your mind what we are talking about, direction or quantity?

We're talking about quantity of time and LACK of direction. Some people (creationists and evolutionists) think that man is the epitome of living things, the pinnacle of creation/evolution (whichever they choose).

That's just not so. Man is pretty weak. We're not the fastest, nor the strongest, nor the biggest... We are, however, the smartest, and that gives us an advantage that helps us overcome other weak points.

Due to common descent, every creature alive today can claim the same amount of evolutionary time leading up to them. Sometimes simplicity wins out (single-celled organisms are very efficient). Sometimes complexity works best (large animals can take advantage of larger food sources).

No matter how far I travel, I am still traveling in a direction.

But the directions you cite are predetermined, and your travel is directed towards a compass point as a goal. Evolution has no predetermined goal, just survival. That can take a population in many directions, depending on the conditions.

Now, Darwinism's entire premise is to explain the variety we see in living organisms. At its root, its major goal is to explain the process by which life evolved from simple life to complex life. If there is no direction in Darwinism, then please pray tell what its goal is seeking to explain.

I think you're confusing the goal of the theory (to explain the evidence we see) with a hypothetical goal of the process (nothing). One of the facts that must be explained by the theory is why we see complexity increase in many cases. It must also explain why we still see simplicity in nature as well.

I find it sad that a theory has to deny its goal to protect its foundations.

No denial here. It is what it is. Where it's headed, who knows?

e-dogg (not verified) – Tue, 08/21/2007 – 21:26

On direction

It's late and I'm my mind's not fully engaged, but one problem I have with evolution's admitted lack of directionality, is that things certainly don't seem to be just scattershot projects going who knows where. Things seem to work together with a phenomenal amount of harmony. Of course, I suppose the naturalist's answer is that that's the order imposed on random genetic mutation by natural selection and the environment, which is a good answer as far as it goes.

The main problem for me remains the dearth of evidence for macro-evolution that doesn't presuppose what Plantinga calls the "Grand Evolutionary Myth." To my knowledge there has been no success whatsoever in demonstrating this supposedly fundamental and pervasive concept nor is gradualism evident in the fossil record (it wasn't creationists that coined the phrase "Cambrian explosion"). I'll be unconvinced by the Grand Evolutionary Myth until there's good reason not to be.

P.S.: I think the math questions should be harder.

Laughing Boy (not verified) – Tue, 08/21/2007 – 23:36

I'll be unconvinced by the

I'll be unconvinced by the Grand Evolutionary Myth until there's good reason not to be.

Well said. Here, here...

apologia – Wed, 08/22/2007 – 16:34

Cheerio!

Well said. Here, here...

Yes, by all means. What he said. Good show old chap! Cumbaya!

things certainly don't seem to be just scattershot projects going who knows where. Things seem to work together with a phenomenal amount of harmony.

I find this to be a strange assertion. "Things seem to work together"? What are you comparing "things" to? You look at the world around and are amazed at the harmony, but where is the standard of disharmony that you are expecting? The world is what it is. We can imagine a world more harmonious or less, but what makes you think we should EXPECT such a world, rather than the one we have?

Is this the direction you suggest evolution must be headed (if true)? Why would the current state of affairs be unlikely, given what we know? For the record, I see plenty of chaos along with harmony. The constant struggle for survival is pretty brutal and arbitrary sometimes. The harmonious systems we see (mututally beneficial relationships, etc.) apparently mitigate some of the brutality, at least temporarily.

e-dogg (not verified) – Wed, 08/22/2007 – 19:09

GEM

I can't readily think of a single artifact that would 'prove' the theory of evolution, because any single instance could be explained away somehow. Having said that, there are a number of examples of macroevolution in the fossil record, including this one about an intermediate form between a land mammal and a sea cow (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/10/1010_jamaicaseacow.html).

On a related note, I fondly remember a visit to the Natural History Museum in London, when my 6 year old and I discussed why the blue whale had hind legs. I'm no biologist, but I was able to explain the broad process to her. I literally couldn't even begin to imagine what the creationist explanation would be.

Paul (not verified) – Thu, 08/23/2007 – 10:36

The Downfall of Evolution

I think evolution can be disposed of with the study of biochemistry. Debates over the evidences or lack thereof for evolution often, as it seems is the case here, focus on large "things" if I may be vague for a moment. Things such as fossil records, geological constructs, dating methods, crazy experiments, etc.; and things such as ideologies and worldviews. I believe there's enough of this larger "evidence" if you will for one to feel comfortable on the theism/non-evolution side; however, I would suggest Darwin's Black Box (http://www.amazon.com/Darwins-Black-Box-Biochemical-Challenge/dp/0743290...) by Michael J. Behe for anyone interested in watching evolution crumble helplessly.

Behe's "irreducible complexity" has yet to be refuted, and indeed makes Darwinism impossible as an explanation of either the origin of life or the macroevolution evolutionists claim today. I wish I could explain his research thoroughly. Essentially, as Behe claims and shows in the above book, a look into the chemistry of the cell demands a different theory for life or a theistic worldview. Without citing specific examples of studies or analogies, let me just say that there are systems within systems (etc) within the cell which cannot be explained (not merely "haven't yet been" but "CANNOT") by Darwinism. In fact, Behe concludes, as does the reader, that the only explanation is Intelligent Design.

Please, if this seems incredible to you, read his book or email me and I will go into more detail.

Nick (not verified) – Thu, 11/01/2007 – 22:56

Hi Nick, (It's a pleasure to

Hi Nick,

(It's a pleasure to have you, and I look forward to browsing your site some more.)

I agree concerning Behe, having finished his 10th anniversary edition of "Black Box" a couple of months ago, complete with responses to critiques. I also found "Genetic Entropy" equally as damning to evolution on the genetic level.

I look forward to your ongoing input, as you have the opportunity.

apologia – Fri, 11/02/2007 – 16:42

Funny Stuff

I would suggest Darwin's Black Box by Michael J. Behe for anyone interested in watching evolution crumble helplessly.

Right there you tip your hand that you are not interested in truth, but merely in promoting your foregone conclusion. That's the definition of a closed mind.

Behe's "irreducible complexity" has yet to be refuted

You sound really confident about that, but a few seconds on Google proves you wrong. Try the multitude of links on this page:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html
If that's not enough, I can show you many more...

In fact, Behe concludes, as does the reader, that the only explanation is Intelligent Design.

Too bad his conclusions didn't hold up in a court of law, even with the benefit of a conservative judge on the bench. I highly recommend a gander at the transcripts from Dover. Behe's assertions are laughable and non-scientific.

e-dogg (not verified) – Thu, 11/08/2007 – 21:26